Awesome tutorial, one i’ll be following as soon as I get the tools needed! On that note, where did you get your clay shapers? If I could get my hands on a set of them i’ll be sorted.
Thanks. I got my clay shapers from a local HobbyCraft store, but you quite easily pick them up online. They’re about £5/$8 a piece. I predominantly use the chisel shaped ones. One of each size would probably be sufficient (three in total).
Love the tutorial. It is very clear and concise. The only thing that I was curious about is how much of a difference is it if you use regular space marines arms from the elbow down and terminator ones behind the shoulder pads? I am unfortunatly unable to experiment at the time I was just wondering if you had tried it and knew how it came out. Thanks for the tutorial.
Because the terminator shoulders (under the shoulder pad) are a perfect fit for the pads themselves there is no real opportunity to alter the positioning of the pad. I found that they tended to jut out too much and needed trimming down to allow the pads to sit at a slight angle. You’ll also find the power armour arms just look too small in most cases, and often aren’t long enough to properly reach around the body to hold a bolter with both hands. The results are always much better with terminator arms as standard.
Lamenter, this was fantastically helpful, i have been following your warseer log for some time now and decided to have a go myself. Thanks for taking the time to create this tutorial and help us all out!!
Great Tutorial I think I’ll be trying this out. In your completed photos you should put a standard marine in the same pose next to yours for comparrison. Otherwise thanks for the info.
Well done Lamenter, excellent tutorial, very clear, concise with good picture documentation. I have to thank you for enlightening me on two things- first the clay shapers, my friend who I hobby with and I have been trying to figure out how people get such smooth surfaces on greenstuff for the longest time and now we have a solution to fingerprinted models. Second on the tip about cutting out the middle of the bit of green stuff, its something I never thought about but it has made a big difference in my ability to sculpt smoothly. And finally thank you for doing the legwork on truescale marines, I have been trying to figure out a way to make some for awhile now and I appreciate you sharing your knowledge with us. I look forward to seeing more excellent conversions in the future!
Thanks for the comments. The 30mm bases came from a supplier on ebay. I did a quick scan of the US ebay and couldn’t find and (they’re all warmachine style bases). The UK ebay has a few though.
hellow I’m sicarius and I’m Spanish, this website is a one of the best web of I have seen, the transformation of the miniatures and the tutorials help inspire me for my space marines, in fact, I intended to make the transformation of vulkan
Just wanted to say thank you for this wonderful webside
I normally just buy box sets, online retailers are almost always cheaper, don’t buy direct from GW.
If you’re looking just to make a small number of them you could always try bitzbox.co.uk or modelbits.co.uk
Regarding Grey Knights, I’m currently converting GK Terminators (just using legs and arms) into power armour Grey Knights. The Actual Scale GK Terminators are going to be far more difficult.
For Custodes, I personally will be scratch building them, and perhaps making some molds
Just for general edification- the bases used in the tutorial are by Elfball Basing Supplies, you can find them on Ebay or you can just Google-search for them.
These are my true scale Space Wolves, eventually I will have an army of 19 (or so).
I want to compliment you again on your clarity and the ease with which this tutorial can be executed.
I will say, though, that I did a few things slightly differently- the arms, I found, worked just as well if you cut and sculpt the existing shoulder down rather than simply replacing it (although I haven’t tried to make anyone simply holding a bolter yet, so we’ve yet to see if that stands up). An added benefit of that is that there isn’t any chance someone might see the swap under the shoulder pad.
Additionally I magnetized my models to their bases so I could run them as both Space Wolves terminators on 40mm bases in regular games of 40k OR true-scale fluff marines (I wrote rules) on 30mm bases.
@AJ
Thanks for sharing, they’ve come together really well. One of the nice things about Space Wolves is all the details that can be used to cover any little flaws in the sculpting, not that I really see any
As for the shoulder joins, they work well. My main reason for replacing them comes down to the fact it gives complete freedom to the final positioning of the arm (plus I have tons of spare power armour arms).
This is pretty awesome! I plan on starting small, a movie marine detachment, and scaling up slowly. I just have a couple of questions, what about true-scale rhinos and Landraiders?
@Crl81
Well I’m trying to finish up a TS Land Raider that’s proving a royal pain in the ass. Should look good when it’s done. I’m a bit at a loss regarding Rhinos, will probably have to scratch build most of the hull plating and probably use the tracks (that I didn’t use) off of the Land Raider as they’re bigger than Rhino tracks. I gotta admit vehicles have never been my area of expertise.
I have plans for a TS Dreadnought too, but it’s going to be time consuming.
It’s a very nice tutorial.
I know a blog where people who have made Actual Scale Marines wanted to have some fun with them and bring out some Rules to play little games, you should have a look there : http://leskouzes.blogspot.com/2010/03/heresy-arena-est-arrive.html
(It’s in french)
Also, I’d like to know how you did the Jump Pack we can see here : http://masteroftheforge.com/tag/jump-pack/
It looks like a normal backpack + a jump pack but I’d like to be sure, do you have pic from the back view ?
The jump packs are indeed just a normal pack with the vents removed and the left and right sides of the normal jump pack (with the middle bit removed). They’re nice and easy to do compared to the other extended back packs I normally do.
I’ll be using this along with some max mini stuff to make a small unit soon.
This is such a well crafted article. I am really impressed with your work. It’s outstanding. Thank you for doing such a service.
Hey Lamenter, I have been following your actual scale marines for a good while now. I was wondering if there was ever going to be a tutorial on the Actual Scale Termies that you were making a while back.
I was thinking about it earlier today actually. Next Terminator I do, I’ll record it step by step and try to make it into a tutorial. There is a method to it, but because of the detail on the legs they’re a bit more difficult to do than Power Armoured Marines.
Not sure when this will be, but I’m going to try and spend more time on posting new stuff in future.
Awesome tutorial, one i’ll be following as soon as I get the tools needed! On that note, where did you get your clay shapers? If I could get my hands on a set of them i’ll be sorted.
Cheers!
Thanks very much for this tutorial! Going to be very helpful to me. Now to get some time to make progress on my own marines. 8o)
Thanks. I got my clay shapers from a local HobbyCraft store, but you quite easily pick them up online. They’re about £5/$8 a piece. I predominantly use the chisel shaped ones. One of each size would probably be sufficient (three in total).
Love the tutorial. It is very clear and concise. The only thing that I was curious about is how much of a difference is it if you use regular space marines arms from the elbow down and terminator ones behind the shoulder pads? I am unfortunatly unable to experiment at the time I was just wondering if you had tried it and knew how it came out. Thanks for the tutorial.
–Ghaust
Because the terminator shoulders (under the shoulder pad) are a perfect fit for the pads themselves there is no real opportunity to alter the positioning of the pad. I found that they tended to jut out too much and needed trimming down to allow the pads to sit at a slight angle. You’ll also find the power armour arms just look too small in most cases, and often aren’t long enough to properly reach around the body to hold a bolter with both hands. The results are always much better with terminator arms as standard.
Lamenter, this was fantastically helpful, i have been following your warseer log for some time now and decided to have a go myself. Thanks for taking the time to create this tutorial and help us all out!!
Cheers!
Great Tutorial I think I’ll be trying this out. In your completed photos you should put a standard marine in the same pose next to yours for comparrison. Otherwise thanks for the info.
oh i will have to have a try even if it means a 10 man squad will cost me about £80 lol for components
Well done Lamenter, excellent tutorial, very clear, concise with good picture documentation. I have to thank you for enlightening me on two things- first the clay shapers, my friend who I hobby with and I have been trying to figure out how people get such smooth surfaces on greenstuff for the longest time and now we have a solution to fingerprinted models. Second on the tip about cutting out the middle of the bit of green stuff, its something I never thought about but it has made a big difference in my ability to sculpt smoothly. And finally thank you for doing the legwork on truescale marines, I have been trying to figure out a way to make some for awhile now and I appreciate you sharing your knowledge with us. I look forward to seeing more excellent conversions in the future!
By the way… where did you get your 30mm bases?
Thanks for the comments. The 30mm bases came from a supplier on ebay. I did a quick scan of the US ebay and couldn’t find and (they’re all warmachine style bases). The UK ebay has a few though.
hellow I’m sicarius and I’m Spanish, this website is a one of the best web of I have seen, the transformation of the miniatures and the tutorials help inspire me for my space marines, in fact, I intended to make the transformation of vulkan
Just wanted to say thank you for this wonderful webside
pd: Sorry about the typos
You’re most welcome… And thanks for the support.
this really is a brillant tutorial thank you so much for putting this on the net.
Where is the best place to get all the terminator components? do you just buy terminator box sets?
i really want to do units of custodes and grey knights if you have any tips it would really help.
thanks again
Thanks.
I normally just buy box sets, online retailers are almost always cheaper, don’t buy direct from GW.
If you’re looking just to make a small number of them you could always try bitzbox.co.uk or modelbits.co.uk
Regarding Grey Knights, I’m currently converting GK Terminators (just using legs and arms) into power armour Grey Knights. The Actual Scale GK Terminators are going to be far more difficult.
For Custodes, I personally will be scratch building them, and perhaps making some molds
Just for general edification- the bases used in the tutorial are by Elfball Basing Supplies, you can find them on Ebay or you can just Google-search for them.
Thanks I didn’t know that. I’ve added a note to the tutorial.
Here’s the link to their store: http://www.impactminiatures.com/index.php?option=basing_profile&id=SP_PB30
Just to show you that your tutorial works: (and to show off a bit…)
http://www.coolminiornot.com/242951
http://www.coolminiornot.com/244200
http://www.coolminiornot.com/244201
I also have a WIP thread on the forums: http://www.coolminiornot.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37003
These are my true scale Space Wolves, eventually I will have an army of 19 (or so).
I want to compliment you again on your clarity and the ease with which this tutorial can be executed.
I will say, though, that I did a few things slightly differently- the arms, I found, worked just as well if you cut and sculpt the existing shoulder down rather than simply replacing it (although I haven’t tried to make anyone simply holding a bolter yet, so we’ve yet to see if that stands up). An added benefit of that is that there isn’t any chance someone might see the swap under the shoulder pad.
Additionally I magnetized my models to their bases so I could run them as both Space Wolves terminators on 40mm bases in regular games of 40k OR true-scale fluff marines (I wrote rules) on 30mm bases.
Thanks again Lamenter, this is buckets of fun,
AJ
@AJ
Thanks for sharing, they’ve come together really well. One of the nice things about Space Wolves is all the details that can be used to cover any little flaws in the sculpting, not that I really see any
As for the shoulder joins, they work well. My main reason for replacing them comes down to the fact it gives complete freedom to the final positioning of the arm (plus I have tons of spare power armour arms).
This is pretty awesome! I plan on starting small, a movie marine detachment, and scaling up slowly. I just have a couple of questions, what about true-scale rhinos and Landraiders?
@Crl81
Well I’m trying to finish up a TS Land Raider that’s proving a royal pain in the ass. Should look good when it’s done. I’m a bit at a loss regarding Rhinos, will probably have to scratch build most of the hull plating and probably use the tracks (that I didn’t use) off of the Land Raider as they’re bigger than Rhino tracks. I gotta admit vehicles have never been my area of expertise.
I have plans for a TS Dreadnought too, but it’s going to be time consuming.
Do you have copy writer for so good articles? If so please give me contacts, because this really rocks!
It’s a very nice tutorial.
I know a blog where people who have made Actual Scale Marines wanted to have some fun with them and bring out some Rules to play little games, you should have a look there :
http://leskouzes.blogspot.com/2010/03/heresy-arena-est-arrive.html
(It’s in french)
Also, I’d like to know how you did the Jump Pack we can see here :
http://masteroftheforge.com/tag/jump-pack/
It looks like a normal backpack + a jump pack but I’d like to be sure, do you have pic from the back view ?
Thanks for that.
The jump packs are indeed just a normal pack with the vents removed and the left and right sides of the normal jump pack (with the middle bit removed). They’re nice and easy to do compared to the other extended back packs I normally do.
Wonderfull tutorial.
Really an inspiration!!!
I sear internet and this is the best.
I hope soon coludshare my own figures.
Regards.
I’ll be using this along with some max mini stuff to make a small unit soon.
This is such a well crafted article. I am really impressed with your work. It’s outstanding. Thank you for doing such a service.
Hi again, I wish to share my work with you. is still in progress but advanced enough.
http://www.hobbiesyactividades.com.ar/?p=58
Bye.
Walter.
@Paul Fowler & @Walter
Thanks, I’m just happy to be contributing to the hobby in some way.
Hey Lamenter, I have been following your actual scale marines for a good while now. I was wondering if there was ever going to be a tutorial on the Actual Scale Termies that you were making a while back.
Love the stuff that you’re doing!
I was thinking about it earlier today actually. Next Terminator I do, I’ll record it step by step and try to make it into a tutorial. There is a method to it, but because of the detail on the legs they’re a bit more difficult to do than Power Armoured Marines.
Not sure when this will be, but I’m going to try and spend more time on posting new stuff in future.
Hey, I just wanted to show you that I’m using this for right now.
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=257842
great tutorial love all of it by the way are you going to make a grey knight scale tutorial and if so around when would it be released
Thanks. No plans for a GK tutorial, but if we get GK plastics in the next few months then it shouldn’t be too hard to adapt this tutorial to fit them.
I should do this with my army and not Collect nids
this is cool